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Post: #331   PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neerav1234 wrote:
Dear ST Sir..

Once we close a spread in last month..what are the ways to initiate next diagonal ??

Shall we just close the current diagonal and immediately initiate the next diagonal in the direction of trend or wait for pivot break above or below and enter the diagonal then..

As in current series its uptrend according to 13/233 in hourly what should be done after closing previous bullish diagonal..

Thanks


If the trend is continuing in the same direction then just close the current trade and initiate the next one immediately.

The pivot break confirmation is only for change of trend (after 13/233 changes direction of trend). At this point we flip the trend in the new trend direction.

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Post: #332   PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject: stop loss Reply with quote

Hi ST,
As on today, in accounting entries of broker I see:
total utilization = 31000
MTM P/L = 5000
derivative position = 26000

So my stop loss should be 15% of Total utilization or Derivative position?

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Post: #333   PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: stop loss Reply with quote

umeshlp wrote:
Hi ST,
As on today, in accounting entries of broker I see:
total utilization = 31000
MTM P/L = 5000
derivative position = 26000

So my stop loss should be 15% of Total utilization or Derivative position?

BR,
Umesh


Confused Confused Today all figures are changed.

total utilization = 26000
MTM P/L = 2000
derivative position = 24000

So what should base for 15% SL?

Thanks in advance.
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Post: #334   PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: stop loss Reply with quote

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Confused Confused Today all figures are changed.

total utilization = 26000
MTM P/L = 2000
derivative position = 24000

So what should base for 15% SL?

Thanks in advance.


You can use approx. margin + trade cost at the time of entry. This does not have to be precise and should not change everyday. Also, 15% loss SL is a worst case exit criteria. Ideally, have some technical criteria to decide the exit.

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Post: #335   PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: stop loss Reply with quote

SwingTrader wrote:
umeshlp wrote:


Confused Confused Today all figures are changed.

total utilization = 26000
MTM P/L = 2000
derivative position = 24000

So what should base for 15% SL?

Thanks in advance.


You can use approx. margin + trade cost at the time of entry. This does not have to be precise and should not change everyday. Also, 15% loss SL is a worst case exit criteria. Ideally, have some technical criteria to decide the exit.


Thanks for clarification.
Already in 15% + profit before August end. Hope it will remain above 15% till 20th Sept.
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Post: #336   PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sir ...

Need your help for Implied Volatility eod data of all NF / BNF CEs & PEs ..

Asking just for knowledge .. Can stocks / Index have IV ? or only options have IV ? Working on a trade set up based on IV.

Thanks.
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Post: #337   PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:14 pm    Post subject: intraday diagonal spread strategy Reply with quote

sir,
i have gone through the diagonal spread strategy. Its a best strategy for positional traders.
But i want to know is there any hedging strategy for intra day trading in option like diagonal spread..
pl. guide me..
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Post: #338   PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chiragbvyas wrote:
Negative C/o done.

8200 PE June LTP 92.55
8500 PE July LTP 260

Hedge = 92.55/260*100 = 35.596

Let us see what happens next

N B : Trade not taken real time ... Just keep watching ...


Saw your post just now. Did you follow up this trade? It did quite well, currently showing P/L of approx 11% on margin.


Hi ST,
Is it okay to trade with strike difference of 300 points when you are not getting good hedge % with 200 strike difference?

Best Regards,
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Post: #339   PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

donaldbradley.wordpress.com
a nice blog on commodities and stock market
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Post: #340   PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST sir,
I am waiting for yr reply for option trading strategy on intraday
One strategy came in my mind is shared here as below
Short both deep ITMnext call of near month and next month.
For ex. At current if nifty fut 8900 then short 8700 call of sep and octo.at the begining and cover it near 3.15 pm.
Like wise may short put of 9100 sep and octo.
Whats yr view on this strategy..
I think we will not loose but appro 5 to 8 points gain everyday..
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Post: #341   PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spatechnicals wrote:
donaldbradley.wordpress.com
a nice blog on commodities and stock market


Please don't spam the forum. You are posting this link everywhere on the forum. Posting it once in the relevant forum is enough.

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Post: #342   PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi ST,
Is it okay to trade with strike difference of 300 points when you are not getting good hedge % with 200 strike difference?

Best Regards,
Umesh


A 300 points diagonal will have both higher reward and risk. As long as you are fine with this it should be okay. One should trade this when one is comfortable trading the 200 pts wide diagonal. Managing a wider diagonal spread is different and will require active management to keep any possible losses minimal.

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Post: #343   PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anand512 wrote:
ST sir,
I am waiting for yr reply for option trading strategy on intraday
One strategy came in my mind is shared here as below
Short both deep ITMnext call of near month and next month.
For ex. At current if nifty fut 8900 then short 8700 call of sep and octo.at the begining and cover it near 3.15 pm.
Like wise may short put of 9100 sep and octo.
Whats yr view on this strategy..
I think we will not loose but appro 5 to 8 points gain everyday..


I have not tested this out so can't comment. I trade options only positionally, I don't trade these intraday. You should map the trade example you posted in an options analyzer software (like Options Oracle) and carefully study its risk/rewards before starting trading this intraday.

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Post: #344   PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bharatpatel wrote:
Dear Sir ...

Need your help for Implied Volatility eod data of all NF / BNF CEs & PEs ..

Asking just for knowledge .. Can stocks / Index have IV ? or only options have IV ? Working on a trade set up based on IV.

Thanks.


Sorry for the late reply. I don't have this data at the moment. We have lot of options EOD data but we need to compute IVs and other stuff. Currently we don't have it. Also, I am not sure where we can get this for Indian market. I am sure some websites might have it but I have not come across any that are making it available.

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Post: #345   PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: L NOV8700 CALL + S OCT8900 CALL Reply with quote

L NOV8700 CALL + S OCT8900 CALL @290 & 92 respectively on 29th Sept morning. hedge = 31.7%
Market fell on same day. So squared off NOV8700 call @ 185 on 30th .
Still holding OCT8900 CALL short position, expecting market will not cross 8900 till Oct expiry.
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